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this man cannot follow the law. he was told not to get out of his car. >> so very emotional reaction outside the courthouse after the verdict was announced. the protests out here remained peaceful. the naacp says it is going to scat justice department to -- going to ask the justice department to file civil charges. they believe the nape -- the neighborhood watch captain profiled trayvon martin the night of the shooting. zimmerman's lawyers in cyst this was never a case about race but self-defense. they alleged all along it was trayvon martin who was the aggressor attacking i can zimmerman and -- attacking zimmerman and pining him to the ground. it was only zimmerman felt his life was in danger he filed the gun. the trial is over, but the debate goes on. back to you. >> the debate will continue for awhile. jonathon, thank you very much for that report. >> arthel, the not guilty verdict sparking rex as -- reactions of course. the legal teams say they respect the decision, they offer differing reactions to the course o
this man cannot follow the law. he was told not to get out of his car. >> so very emotional reaction outside the courthouse after the verdict was announced. the protests out here remained peaceful. the naacp says it is going to scat justice department to -- going to ask the justice department to file civil charges. they believe the nape -- the neighborhood watch captain profiled trayvon martin the night of the shooting. zimmerman's lawyers in cyst this was never a case about race but...
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, the president said he's not ready to implement the law. if he's not ready to implement it, we shouldn't fund it, the american people should not be required to pay for what they're not getting. we need to defund the implementation of obama care. >> is it not ready for 2014? when it's supposed to happen? is it because they just couldn't get their act together, sort of the inefficiencies of government or it's too big and complicated? or is it a political ploy because there are u.s. senators in the democratic party up for re-election in midterms and it's to get past that midterm election in 2015? >> i think the political considerations are definitely a dominant force here. i also think the sheer complexity of the law has made it impossible for the president to get this thing together. it is so complex, it's a 2,700 page bill. >> that's before the regulations, that's just for starters. >> at the end of the day, i think it may be some of both. the important thing to remember, if he's not ready to implement it, he shouldn't be implementing part o
, the president said he's not ready to implement the law. if he's not ready to implement it, we shouldn't fund it, the american people should not be required to pay for what they're not getting. we need to defund the implementation of obama care. >> is it not ready for 2014? when it's supposed to happen? is it because they just couldn't get their act together, sort of the inefficiencies of government or it's too big and complicated? or is it a political ploy because there are u.s....
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they change the law? you're not the only one. do you think, and maybe i'm a little cynical in my old age, congressman, do you think this was politically timed? >> it's interesting. you indicate that yes the employer mandate delay will push off the implementation of that mandate until after next year's election, but again, you never know given the selective enforcement that now it seems to be a pattern with this, with the irs, with other things. but if the same formula's in place, october 1 next year will be the signup date for the exchanges again, at which time all of this will then be elevated. 30 days before the election. so it may be that the administration didn't quite accomplish what it may have hoped to accomplish politically, by saying delaying that employer mandate for a year. >> there have been many votes have you had to, i guess, overturn obama care. it didn't go anywhere. would you use the option of defunding obama care, because that is in your authority? >> right, and we have continued, when w
they change the law? you're not the only one. do you think, and maybe i'm a little cynical in my old age, congressman, do you think this was politically timed? >> it's interesting. you indicate that yes the employer mandate delay will push off the implementation of that mandate until after next year's election, but again, you never know given the selective enforcement that now it seems to be a pattern with this, with the irs, with other things. but if the same formula's in place, october...
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the healthcare law gives us powerful tools to fight it... to investigate it... ...prosecute it... and stop criminals. our senior medicare patrol volunteers... are teaching seniors across the country... ...to stop, spot, and report fraud. you can help. guard your medicare card. don't give out your card number over the phone. call to report any suspected fraud. we're cracking down on medicare fraud. let's make medicare stronger for all of us. >> here in new york city it is dark outside as you can see. speaking of that another day another example of governmentment waist. spending 34 million on state of the art military headquarters in afghanistan. the only problem the military has no plans to ever use it. they said three years ago they didn't need the building. that did not stop contractors from ee riktierecting the facil. >> andrew hudson was swimming in a lake at a state park and he says he was looking out for gators but he never saw that 10-foot beast coming for him. >> out of nowhere just came up on me. i didn't see him but it felt like a big shouthud and felt th pressure. i felt
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>> improper presentation of the case law and the law concerning my client's provocation. >> ladies and gentlemen, at the close of the end of the attorneys' closing arguments i will instruct you on the law applicable to this case and you will be given that law back to the jury room to compare with how you find the facts to be. thank you. good ahead. >> trying to convince the police he hadn't done anything wrong. >> my nose and on my mouth, and he says you're going to die tonight. and -- josh again, now he is saying the level of violence towards him is escalating. because trayvon martin just decides to shut him up by -- you know, the amazing thing -- and i'm going to get to this in one of the presentations -- he must have had ten hands or ten arms. able to do all this while the defendant is just sitting there, letting him put his hands over him. not doing anything. does that make sense? >> my jacket and my shirt came up, and when he said, you're going to die tonight, i felt his hand go down on my side, and i thought he was going for my firearm. so i grabbed it immediately and as he bange
>> improper presentation of the case law and the law concerning my client's provocation. >> ladies and gentlemen, at the close of the end of the attorneys' closing arguments i will instruct you on the law applicable to this case and you will be given that law back to the jury room to compare with how you find the facts to be. thank you. good ahead. >> trying to convince the police he hadn't done anything wrong. >> my nose and on my mouth, and he says you're going to die...
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but he wasn't compelled to under the law. >> it may not be under the law, surely, this has to be taken into consideration. george zimmerman ignored advice, got out of his vehicle, said f-ing punks, a-holes getting away with it, marched away, we don't know what happened next. there's no punishment for the fact that the expense of actions leads to him shooting an unarmed teenager dead, seems to me pretty ridiculous. >> i think that sticks in everybody's throat. those of us who work in the judicial system know that sometimes the outcome in the trial is not fair in the sense of what america thinks is fair, but it's fair in the sense of what the legal system thinks is fair. to send somebody to prison for a crime, you have to prove the elements of a crime. the elements of crime are like the ingredients of a cake, if you leave one of those out, you don't have the crime you charged him with. if you do it by emotion, we are going to go back to the days of pitchforks and torches and going up to the jailhouse and drawing your own retribution. >> guilty or not guilty of second degree murder. >> no
but he wasn't compelled to under the law. >> it may not be under the law, surely, this has to be taken into consideration. george zimmerman ignored advice, got out of his vehicle, said f-ing punks, a-holes getting away with it, marched away, we don't know what happened next. there's no punishment for the fact that the expense of actions leads to him shooting an unarmed teenager dead, seems to me pretty ridiculous. >> i think that sticks in everybody's throat. those of us who work in...
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the law has not changed that much. stand your ground was a big thing but the law has not changed. we believe in the right the bear arms and the right to self-defense. we felt in this case that it was not proeappropriate. >> john guy talked about the fact that this would be a verdict that sent a message and that it was going to be about what happens when a guy follows a young child and then shoots him. can you tell me what you think about what this verdict means to the nation and what it says? >> yeah. i don't believe i said it would send a message. criminal cases are about victims. a one-on-one confrontation. it was a determination about what that between those two individuals. i certainly didn't mean to characterize this as sending a message outside the courtroom. >> one more question. >> this question is about ben. since testifying in that pretrial hearing about discovery evidence, we understand that he was terminated. can you talk to us about why he was material natd from your office? >> i believe that we have released a letter that details why he was materiterminated. we want
the law has not changed that much. stand your ground was a big thing but the law has not changed. we believe in the right the bear arms and the right to self-defense. we felt in this case that it was not proeappropriate. >> john guy talked about the fact that this would be a verdict that sent a message and that it was going to be about what happens when a guy follows a young child and then shoots him. can you tell me what you think about what this verdict means to the nation and what it...
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>> there's no law about it. >> aren't they advised to do that when you speak to law enforcement? >> you mean in person? >> i mean over the phone, in person, at all. >> not over the phone. whenever you interact if you're carrying a concealed weapon, traffic stop, interaction on the street we tell everyone that when you interact with law enforcement make sure your hands are clearly visible and you are carrying a firearm. we don't address something over the phone. i guess it would be nice. >> to be clear the defendant did not advise the dispatcher he was carrying a firearm? >> no. >> you said you have a criminal justice degree, correct? >> yes. >> were you taught the law of self-defense? >> yes, sir. i'm sure we covered that. >> were you taught fact scenarios that constituted self-defense? >> i can't say fact scenarios. every instructor that's responsible for relating information is differently in every class. i can't speak to everybody does it. i know how i relayed the information. i can't speak to how everybody else does it. >> it was your opinion that a weapon was not used on the
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>> i don't know whether that is actually improper based on the law. i believe what this they're going to have to try to point out the state can only ask questions pertinent to what the testimony was given by pollock when he testified on a scale of one to ten, george zimmerman was a one and never got beyond shadow boxing. never felt confident to put zimmerman in the gym. even at the time we saw that in reenactment was hundred pound lighter and seemed to be much more physically city fit than he does now. i believe that is going to be the line of argument here by o'mara. they have to rebut testimony he gave on initial day of testimony both in direct and cross-examination. >> shep: the gym? s in longwood, florida outside of orlando not far from there. it's not on the home page. we'll find out if it is there, if he is advertising. what he said was, i trained had i him but he didn't get anywhere. that is not what i would want. we'll come back with the final bits of testimony and this thing is going to the jury soon. tony used priceline to book this 4 star h
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to law enforcement. is evidence of nonguilty. it is evidence that he wasn't saying it any way laced with ill will, spite, ohio tread or anything else like that. so call continues. and now we have the call. now we have our first very large graphic. this is what happens when they get carried away with graphicings. they get ten feet long. what this is a graphic representation of the phone call that started at 70934 that night. you will have this back with you so you can sort of go through it. it doesn't include every word that was said back and forth because it would have been 20 feet long. but it does have i would argue to you or submit to you it has all of these significant words. so i'll sort of go through it. you have the tape. i could play it for you but you've heard it many, many times. it starts, dispatcher. sanford pd, may i help you. and george says some suspicious guy, whatever. then he says, note down here, that trayvon martin's on the phone with rachel jeantel. we'll talk about it as we come down the line. now he's just
to law enforcement. is evidence of nonguilty. it is evidence that he wasn't saying it any way laced with ill will, spite, ohio tread or anything else like that. so call continues. and now we have the call. now we have our first very large graphic. this is what happens when they get carried away with graphicings. they get ten feet long. what this is a graphic representation of the phone call that started at 70934 that night. you will have this back with you so you can sort of go through it. it...
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if i, you know -- the levels when we speak about law enforcement, you have presence. they offer different levels of existence. for us, it would be, you know, you tell them stand over here. no, i'm not doing that. that is verbal resistance. that is a verbal communication. the officer's response can be verbal which would be you're under arrest, come stand over here, blah, blah. in the individual realm, verbalization can be screaming for help and tell a person, no, stop, whatever that may be. >> we continue to watch the cross-examination of dennis root. we take a quick break and back after this. vo: traveling you definitely end up meeting a lot more people but a friend under water is something completely different. i met a turtle friend today so, you don't get that very often. it seemed like it was more than happy to have us in his home. so beautiful. avo: more travel. more options. more personal. whatever you're looking for expedia has more ways to help you find yours. >>> we continue with the cross examination from the prosecution of the expert witness for the defense,
if i, you know -- the levels when we speak about law enforcement, you have presence. they offer different levels of existence. for us, it would be, you know, you tell them stand over here. no, i'm not doing that. that is verbal resistance. that is a verbal communication. the officer's response can be verbal which would be you're under arrest, come stand over here, blah, blah. in the individual realm, verbalization can be screaming for help and tell a person, no, stop, whatever that may be....
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that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited as legal authority to the courted. i would submit while following itself might not be illegal that following is one factor the jury is free to consider in this case. it is something that evinces the defendant's state of mind. it doesn't have to be illegal and i don't think the instruction -- we want to talk about what confuses the jury. when the court starts telling them things like it is not illegal to walk across the street. it is not illegal to walk home from 7-eleven in the rainwearing a hoodie. it is not illegal to be armed with a pack of skittles. that tennes to confuse the jury. it is also inappropriate for the court --
that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited as legal authority to the courted. i would submit while following itself might not be...
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. >> the law talks about accountability and responsibility for one's actions. >> reporter: the firy prosecutor urging the jury to find zimmerman guilty. suggesting zimmerman lied about screaming for help that night. >> why is he able to yell, and the defendant claims the victim -- how is he going to talk? or is he lying about that? >> reporter: it was an emotional and at times, a theatrical performance. >> oh, he gets in the way, la, la, la, that is what he is claiming. >> reporter: but over the top for some court watchers, including the man who defended casey anthony. what did you make of the closing argument? >> i thought it was poorly presented. i think that bernie de la rionda was a better lawyer than that. he relied on his recollection of the inconsistencies, as opposed to pointing them out and spoon feeding the jury for that. >> reporter: he used power point slides, this, in zimmerman's own words to try to convince the jury that zimmerman went off trayvon martin simply because of the way he looked. >> when he profiled a 17-year-old boy, that had skittles. he automatically assumed that tr
. >> the law talks about accountability and responsibility for one's actions. >> reporter: the firy prosecutor urging the jury to find zimmerman guilty. suggesting zimmerman lied about screaming for help that night. >> why is he able to yell, and the defendant claims the victim -- how is he going to talk? or is he lying about that? >> reporter: it was an emotional and at times, a theatrical performance. >> oh, he gets in the way, la, la, la, that is what he is...
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ultimately it is the interpretation of the law by the jury. it's what rules. so of course without changing the meaning or legal impact, should some laws be rewritten to make them easier to understand? >> potentially, and that's the age old question. there always is, as i said, are written by lawyers and committee well before the trial. each state has their own set of jury instructions, but then the lawyers, the prosecution and the defense in criminal cases, grapple over a negotiated overwording because somebody's life is at stake in criminal cases and every word matters. i think, however, that this judge, judge nelson, did a reasonable job taking the previously drafted jury instructions by the legal committee, which are on the books, and crafted them to apply to this case. again, i'd be very curious to see what question the jurors had with regard to seeing what clarification the jury had with regard to the man slaughter charge. >> as i recall from yesterday, it was very simple. can you explain what that means? what is the manslaughter option? break it down for
ultimately it is the interpretation of the law by the jury. it's what rules. so of course without changing the meaning or legal impact, should some laws be rewritten to make them easier to understand? >> potentially, and that's the age old question. there always is, as i said, are written by lawyers and committee well before the trial. each state has their own set of jury instructions, but then the lawyers, the prosecution and the defense in criminal cases, grapple over a negotiated...
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with law enforcement events, correct? >> yes. >> have you had experience where you handled nonlaw enforcement shooting events? >> yes. >> so do you have experience level that covers both law enforcement and nonlaw enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> is the majority of your experience in law enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> by nature of you being a cop. >> yes. and just retired a couple of years ago. >> realizing that, using the complete broad base of your experience, including law enforcement shootings and nonlaw enforcement shootings, what are the concerns that exist with interviewing a person who has been involved in the event after shooting? >> memory issues. generally speaking, the primary concern is people, with when they are involved in a high stress event, can have what they call critical stress am knee that chavez or temporary memory holes i call them. sometimes it takes up to 72 hours before they fell get their full memory back about everything that took place and for some, depending on the stress of the event, th
with law enforcement events, correct? >> yes. >> have you had experience where you handled nonlaw enforcement shooting events? >> yes. >> so do you have experience level that covers both law enforcement and nonlaw enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> is the majority of your experience in law enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> by nature of you being a cop. >> yes. and just retired a couple of years ago. >> realizing that, using the complete...
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i think that's why the law allows the lesser included offenses. at this point all we want is justice. so we believe we're close to getting that justice. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >>> a few moments ago, you heard mark o'mara say a lesser charge is not appropriate. the question is, does his reason for posing it make any legal sense? i'll talk to the panel about his justification, next. farmers presents: 15 seconds of smart. so you're worried about house fires? stop smoking. manage your wires. watch out for space heaters. clean the chimney. get one of these. cool the romance. and of course, talk to farmers. hi. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum, bum - bum - bum - bum♪ >>> welcome back. before the defense rested today, a former neighbor of george zimmerman's took the stand and talked about being the target of a home invasion. this happened about six months before trayvon martin was killed. the neighbor said she discussed the break-in with zimmerman about 20 times and said he was very helpful. here she is on the stand
i think that's why the law allows the lesser included offenses. at this point all we want is justice. so we believe we're close to getting that justice. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >>> a few moments ago, you heard mark o'mara say a lesser charge is not appropriate. the question is, does his reason for posing it make any legal sense? i'll talk to the panel about his justification, next. farmers presents: 15 seconds of smart. so you're worried...
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i just don't see it. >> stan your ground law. fox news exclusive george zimmerman sat down with sean hannity. george zimmerman said he wasn't aware of stand your ground. an expert came forward, said i taught him that. >> you can't calculate what punch is going to knock you out, which isn't. if you are in fear of your life, personal fear, you can aaparticulate, you need to meet the force to stop that from killing you. >> maybe a difference if the prosecution had some witnesses able to say that george zimmerman op top of trayvon martin. he could get up, get away. but there wasn't any evidence to suggest that. all of the testimony was that trayvon was on top of george zimmerman, in that wrestling hold position. at what point does zimmerman lose his right to self-defense. >> you head that point on the five, now are you making now. when he was being assailed, and his contusions on the back of the head. nose was broken, who are you to say that he didn't know he could take five more punches. who are we to say, how he felt at that moment
i just don't see it. >> stan your ground law. fox news exclusive george zimmerman sat down with sean hannity. george zimmerman said he wasn't aware of stand your ground. an expert came forward, said i taught him that. >> you can't calculate what punch is going to knock you out, which isn't. if you are in fear of your life, personal fear, you can aaparticulate, you need to meet the force to stop that from killing you. >> maybe a difference if the prosecution had some witnesses...
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the academy is about applying the enforcement of the laws, what laws are to be enforced, how to enforce them, physical ways to enforce it, how to conduct traffic stops, how to conduct every day business as a professional law enforcement officer, whereas a criminal justice degree is kind of like the bookend, if you will, of criminal justice. it's how the system works in and of itself. >> and having done it for now, i guess, 20, 25 years, did you enjoy being a law enforcement officer? >> i did. i enjoyed being a police officer very much. >> you think it was for you a noble profession? >> absolutely. >> would you encourage or discourage -- say you had a 20-year-old nephew or son, would you encourage them or discourage them of taking on a life of law enforcement? >> depends on the child. i have a stepson, for example, very physically fit. i would encourage him without question to pursue it. >> an interesting line of questioning that we're listening in as mark o'mara continues to question dennis root, asking him about his law enforcement background and whether he would recommend someone in h
the academy is about applying the enforcement of the laws, what laws are to be enforced, how to enforce them, physical ways to enforce it, how to conduct traffic stops, how to conduct every day business as a professional law enforcement officer, whereas a criminal justice degree is kind of like the bookend, if you will, of criminal justice. it's how the system works in and of itself. >> and having done it for now, i guess, 20, 25 years, did you enjoy being a law enforcement officer?...
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i think that's why the law allows the lesser included offenses. at this point all we want is justice. so we believe we're close to getting that justice. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >>> a few moments ago, you heard mark o'mara say a lesser charge is not appropriate. we have been debating that all night. the question is, does his reason for posing it make any legal sense? i'll talk to the panel about his justification, next. announcer: announcer: you're on the right track to save big during sleep train's triple choice sale. for a limited time, you can choose to save hundreds on beautyrest and posturepedic mattress sets. or choose $300 in free gifts with sleep train's most popular tempurpedic mattresses. you can even choose 48 months interest-free financing on the new tempur-choice with head-to-toe customization. the triple choice sale on now at sleep train! ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> welcome back. before the defense rested today, a former neighbor of george zimmerman's took the sta
i think that's why the law allows the lesser included offenses. at this point all we want is justice. so we believe we're close to getting that justice. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >>> a few moments ago, you heard mark o'mara say a lesser charge is not appropriate. we have been debating that all night. the question is, does his reason for posing it make any legal sense? i'll talk to the panel about his justification, next. announcer: announcer:...
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by sympathy, mu based on the evidence of the law, period. and the judge will tell you what the law is. and now talk for a moment about self-defense. we talked all around it. let's tell you exactly what the judge will instruct you to what it is. a person is justified in using deadly force, force likely to cause death, if he reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself. the alternatives, somebody -- i will go through this and tell you what you need to consider, to whether george reasonably believed, reasonable fear of great bodily harm. he doesn't have to think he was going to die. he does not have to think he was going to die. he does have to think that he was going to be injured greatly. and since the alternative, if either matches, it's been met. ? decide whether or not george zimmerman was -- you must judge him by the circumstances the moment of using force, what was happening. the danger facing george zimmerman need not have been actual. getting it doesn't have to be actual. in effe
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they should look at the facts, the law and apply it. >> what a lot of people watching may not realize is aggravated assault carries the potential of life in prison for the florida gun statute, the same if he was convicted of second-degree murder. >> potentially. it depends how they charge it and what the jury comes back with but manslaughter is a serious charge, as well. >> the judge said you can't use the 3 d but can use them for the closing statement. is that the best case scenario, show the reenactment, prosecution doesn't get to attack it on cross-examination. >> perfect answer. yes, that's true. the animation didn't need to be in evidence. i would like to have it there. i understand the state's concerns and the court's ruling. as long as it's there for me to show the jury what probably happened that night, which is what that animation shows, i'm okay with it. >> you said you didn't release the thc levels because they were minimum. you've known how low the levels are so why do you fight so hard to have it admitted? >> because i think that should be our decision rather than the cou
they should look at the facts, the law and apply it. >> what a lot of people watching may not realize is aggravated assault carries the potential of life in prison for the florida gun statute, the same if he was convicted of second-degree murder. >> potentially. it depends how they charge it and what the jury comes back with but manslaughter is a serious charge, as well. >> the judge said you can't use the 3 d but can use them for the closing statement. is that the best case...
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she heard some case law from both sides. and has decided again to allow the jury to consider manslaughter charges. we should also note that the manslaughter charges will be considered aggravated assault not going to be considered. the state has decided to abandon the aggravated assault charge. right now the state is trying to persuade the judge to also consider allowing the jury to consider a felony third-degree murder charge. attorney arguing right now that the judge allow the jury to consider third degree felony murder, as well. >> so a lot happening there in advance of those closing arguments. thank you so much, craig. we'll be right back with the latest on what's happening there as well as in texas with the abortion battle. they're talking about it in austin right now. from walmart and secretly served it up in the heart of peach country. it's a fresh-over. we want you to eat some peaches and tell us what you think. they're really juicy. it must have just come from the farm. this right here is ideal for me. walmart works
she heard some case law from both sides. and has decided again to allow the jury to consider manslaughter charges. we should also note that the manslaughter charges will be considered aggravated assault not going to be considered. the state has decided to abandon the aggravated assault charge. right now the state is trying to persuade the judge to also consider allowing the jury to consider a felony third-degree murder charge. attorney arguing right now that the judge allow the jury to consider...
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but a senior official here says while it appears no laws have been broken, it was still a bone headed decision. jim miklaszewski, nbc news, the pentagon. >>> still ahead for us tonight, a staggering look at the state of america's health. specifically this. where you live may determine a lot about how long you live. >>> as we mentioned, back tonight with a somewhat discouraging new report on health in america. it's not improving as fast as it is in a lot of other countries, and increasingly here in our country, how long you live may depend in large part on where you live. our report from chief medical editor dr. nancy snyderman. >> reporter: the report out today is a snapshot of how america's health compares to other developed nations. and just as important, it's a look at what's happening in our own communities. while we are living longer, we are falling behind. >> things are getting better over the past two decades, but the pace of improvement is slower than in other high-income countries. >> reporter: on average, life expectancy for men in the united states is 76 years, up from 67 4
but a senior official here says while it appears no laws have been broken, it was still a bone headed decision. jim miklaszewski, nbc news, the pentagon. >>> still ahead for us tonight, a staggering look at the state of america's health. specifically this. where you live may determine a lot about how long you live. >>> as we mentioned, back tonight with a somewhat discouraging new report on health in america. it's not improving as fast as it is in a lot of other countries, and...
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charles, one of the problems is the that florida law is the florida law, the law of the state and we can huff and puff how unfair it is but the reality is this jury will be directed to follow letter of that state law. >> right. >> that means nothing to do with george zimmerman getting out of the car, walking along, being told as he's walking don't follow. none of that matters. what matters is did george zimmerman think i'm going to die? >> right. >> we don't actually know, do we? >> it's a matter of what he believes, right? to figure what he believes, you also have to believe his story. now, in order to get to the point -- >> do you? >> well, here are the inconsistencies with that story. in order for you to believe what george zimmerman is saying, you have to believe he did not unholster or reveal that weapon right in the moment before he shot trayvon. nobody can testify to the validity of that being true. >> or against it. >> or against it. anyway, you have to believe him -- >> but charles, let me ask -- >> where has anybody directly contradicted evidentiary something in material an
charles, one of the problems is the that florida law is the florida law, the law of the state and we can huff and puff how unfair it is but the reality is this jury will be directed to follow letter of that state law. >> right. >> that means nothing to do with george zimmerman getting out of the car, walking along, being told as he's walking don't follow. none of that matters. what matters is did george zimmerman think i'm going to die? >> right. >> we don't actually...
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one of them is the whole question of the florida law which is a pretty strong pro self-defense law. but floridians do have a right to say they want to again themselves. and i think what's hard for people to realize is this jury sat there for five solid weeks. they heard systtestimony after testimony. a closing argumeument that was three hours and followed by another three hours and followed by another hour. in this case the jury concluded that it was a tragedy, but it was not murder. >> van, let me -- >> i agree with you -- sorry. go ahead. >> i was just going to say to pick up on that, that there is -- will and the speaker points out that there have been violent threats on the extremes of both sides, but many more people in the center going let's talk about this. so there is that. but there is also the question of whether the idea that this is an injustice system for african-americans, a huge history of that. and we know that. but there is also the question is this an injustice or is this just the african-american community doesn't like the result? >> i think you ever to -- i think
one of them is the whole question of the florida law which is a pretty strong pro self-defense law. but floridians do have a right to say they want to again themselves. and i think what's hard for people to realize is this jury sat there for five solid weeks. they heard systtestimony after testimony. a closing argumeument that was three hours and followed by another three hours and followed by another hour. in this case the jury concluded that it was a tragedy, but it was not murder. >>...
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jury verdict to break the law. it is a polarizing issue for activist the courthouse, inside they are weighing the merits of the february 2012 shooting of trayvon martin. prosecutors describe martin as a child gunned down by a over zealous neighborhood watch captain who incorrectly profiled him as a criminal. and defense portrayed zimmerman as a victim reluctantly firing his weapon as the teen attacked him. zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder, the jury has been instructed to consider the lesser offense of manslaughter. if convicted, zimmerman could face a prison sentence lasting for the rest of his life, uma? >> thank you, i know you are watching all of the developments happening there. we'll check back with you. after three weeks of testimony inside of the courthouse, attorneys on both sides of the case offered up emotional arguments. prosecutors want to see zimmerman as a want to be cop that profiled trayvon marten. and the defense said he was trying to protect his life when he fatally shot martin. welc
jury verdict to break the law. it is a polarizing issue for activist the courthouse, inside they are weighing the merits of the february 2012 shooting of trayvon martin. prosecutors describe martin as a child gunned down by a over zealous neighborhood watch captain who incorrectly profiled him as a criminal. and defense portrayed zimmerman as a victim reluctantly firing his weapon as the teen attacked him. zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder, the jury has been instructed to consider...
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can you talk about florida stand your ground law and whether the changes in the law in 2005 affected the facts in this case and whether this case could have been won perhaps prethe changes in the law? >> justifiable use of deadly force has changed to a certain extent. stand your ground is a procedural mechanism where we fully expected because of what we were hearing that the defense would request a stand your ground hearing an we would have put on the same evidence. it would have been in front of just a judge instead of a jury. the duty to retreat aspect actually had sort of disappeared before stand your ground kicked in. you're talking about the castle doctrine basically and then how that got extended into public areas? yes, it's a very complicated and difficult area of the law. i think i did allude to that pretty specifically when we first announced the charges. justifiable use of deadly force is one of the most difficult areas of the law and one of the most difficult affirmative defenses to which we respond in our criminal cases. yes. >> christie o'connor. in the beginning of this
can you talk about florida stand your ground law and whether the changes in the law in 2005 affected the facts in this case and whether this case could have been won perhaps prethe changes in the law? >> justifiable use of deadly force has changed to a certain extent. stand your ground is a procedural mechanism where we fully expected because of what we were hearing that the defense would request a stand your ground hearing an we would have put on the same evidence. it would have been in...
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must be based on the law and the judge will tell you what the law is. and now we have to talk for a moment about self-defense. we have talked all around it and let's tell you exactly what the judge will instruct you as to what it is. a person who is justified in using deadly force for his life to cause death if he reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent eminent death or great bodily death to himself. the alternatives i'll go through this and tell you what he eyou need to consider whether george reasonably feared. he didn't have to think he was going to die. he does not have to think he was going to die. he does have to think that he was going to be injured greatly and since the alternative, if either matches, it's been met. in deciding whether or not george zimmerman was justified in using deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances which he was surrounded with, at the time the force was used. the moment of using the force and what was happening. the danger of facing george zimmerman may not have been actual. now, getting beat u
must be based on the law and the judge will tell you what the law is. and now we have to talk for a moment about self-defense. we have talked all around it and let's tell you exactly what the judge will instruct you as to what it is. a person who is justified in using deadly force for his life to cause death if he reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent eminent death or great bodily death to himself. the alternatives i'll go through this and tell you what he eyou need to consider...
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we've been using that word here in terms of the law. would you have to sort of get that out of the picture for -- for an acquittal? >> right. normally that kind of general character evidence is not admissib admissible. i would not expect to hear that. for the prosecution, there was a cousin who had some unkind things to say about george zimmerman and having negative racial views. that person has not testified. so if that person doesn't testify, i don't expect to hear the opposite of that for the defense, that he was not a racist, that he was open-minded, had a racially diverse family. yop think the judge will allow it in on either side. >> joe davis, same question to you. would you, if you were the defense attorney, and you're skilled in this matter, would you sort of fortify the idea, this is not a bad person when it comes to race generally? or what would you do with that question, or thieve alone? >> absolutely. i think the best way to do it is to generally humanize him. in a non-racial way. again, i believe if i'm not mistaken, that
we've been using that word here in terms of the law. would you have to sort of get that out of the picture for -- for an acquittal? >> right. normally that kind of general character evidence is not admissib admissible. i would not expect to hear that. for the prosecution, there was a cousin who had some unkind things to say about george zimmerman and having negative racial views. that person has not testified. so if that person doesn't testify, i don't expect to hear the opposite of that...
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i'll talk about it tonight in law and disorder. that's coming up next. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids. wish i saw mine more often, but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving in with my daughter and her family. it's been pretty tough since jack passed away. it's a good thing you had life insurance through the colonial penn program. you're right. it was affordable, and we were guaranteed acceptance. guaranteed acceptance? it means you can't be turned down because of your health. you don't have to take a physical or answer any health questions. they don't care about your aches and pains. well, how do you know? did you speak to alex trebek? because i have a policy myself. it costs just $9.95 a month per unit. it's perfect for my budget. my rate will never go up. and my coverage will never go down because of my age. affordable coverage and guaranteed acceptance? we should give them a call. do you want to help protect your loved ones from the burden of final expenses? if you're between 50 and 85, yo
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background, you deal with law enforcement events, correct? >> yes. >> have you had experience where you handled nonlaw enforcement shooting events? >> yes. >> so do you have experience level that covers both law enforcement and nonlaw enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> is the majority of yours, however, in law enforcement shootings. >> yes. >> by nature of you being a cop. >> yes. just retired a couple years ago. >> okay. realizing that, using the complete broad base of your experience, including law enforcement shootings and nonlaw enforcement shootings, what are the concerns that exist with interviewing a person who's been involved in the event of a shooting? >> memory issues. generally speaking, the primary concern is people when they're involved in a high stress event can have what we call critical stress amnesia or have memory -- temporary memory holes, i call them, that sometimes it takes up to 72 hours before they truly get their full memory back about everything that took place. and for some, depending on stress of the event they may n
background, you deal with law enforcement events, correct? >> yes. >> have you had experience where you handled nonlaw enforcement shooting events? >> yes. >> so do you have experience level that covers both law enforcement and nonlaw enforcement shootings? >> yes. >> is the majority of yours, however, in law enforcement shootings. >> yes. >> by nature of you being a cop. >> yes. just retired a couple years ago. >> okay. realizing...
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in case law on which i would rely, begins i think in the stack that's been provided, it is hermanson versus state 604, 7 second, 775, the supreme court florida case from 1992 and in that case as set forth on page 2 of the court's decision, a third degree murder provision, section 782.04 provides the killing of a human being engaged in the commission of child abuse constitutes murder in the third degree and is a felony in the second degree. in that case unfortunately the state combined the instructions for both child abuse and child neglect but otherwise that was the reason i believe that the conviction was reversed. obviously the reason the case is there is to show that, yes, third degree murder premised upon an underlying conviction for child abuse is a rational or a listed offense in the state of florida. >> a child is someone under the age of 18, and trayvon martin was 17 when he died. hence this argument but a last minute argument to try to get that lesser included, a felony murder, a murder, that's a death that happens in the commission of a felony, the felony that's underlying
in case law on which i would rely, begins i think in the stack that's been provided, it is hermanson versus state 604, 7 second, 775, the supreme court florida case from 1992 and in that case as set forth on page 2 of the court's decision, a third degree murder provision, section 782.04 provides the killing of a human being engaged in the commission of child abuse constitutes murder in the third degree and is a felony in the second degree. in that case unfortunately the state combined the...
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it's written into law. why doesn't the president of the united states say we'll do the employer thing for a year, let's hold off the individual mandate for a year. they would have problems too. and political interests, so what? tell the republicans, take it, we'll get the problem solved. >> when we come back, we'll weigh in on the zimmerman case talk about obama, holder, race, and what they think the result may be, after the break. my name is mike and i quit smoking. chantix... it's a non-nicotine pill. i didn't want nicotine to give up nicotine. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. [ mike ] when i was taking the chantix, it reduced the urge to smoke. [ malennouncer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history o
it's written into law. why doesn't the president of the united states say we'll do the employer thing for a year, let's hold off the individual mandate for a year. they would have problems too. and political interests, so what? tell the republicans, take it, we'll get the problem solved. >> when we come back, we'll weigh in on the zimmerman case talk about obama, holder, race, and what they think the result may be, after the break. my name is mike and i quit smoking. chantix... it's a...
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but to walker and his brethren, choice has nothing to do with freedom or settled law. he specified later -- women have a choice as to the ultrasound they receive. joining me today, "washington post" political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post -- sorry -- and msnbc contributor sam stein. former dnc communications director and host of msnbc's "disrupt," karen finney. david carr, and former national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben la bolt. also joining us, "new york times" op-ed contributor beth murfitch. beth, to you first. were you actually in the gallery in texas when wendy davis did her 11-hour filibuster and wrote a really moving op-ed in the "new york times" about your mother's very difficult choice to have an abortion. one of the biggest take-aways from that piece was your urging women who have had to make this difficult choice to come out and talk about it. tell us more about why you think that's important at this moment. >> more women than we would like to know -- or than we think have had abortions. it is estimated 22% of p
but to walker and his brethren, choice has nothing to do with freedom or settled law. he specified later -- women have a choice as to the ultrasound they receive. joining me today, "washington post" political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post -- sorry -- and msnbc contributor sam stein. former dnc communications director and host of msnbc's "disrupt," karen finney. david carr, and former national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben la bolt....
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>> i am. >> lived your life within the confines of law enforcement? >> yes. >> you know george zimmerman, obviously? >> yes. >> i would like to focus in on a couple of subjects. first any information you have regarding mr. zimmerman accomplishing a concealed weapons permit. are you aware of that process? >> i am. >> and if you would, would you tell the jury what interactions you had with zimmerman in that regard? >> objection. >> overruled. >> in reference to the concealed weapons permit. we had talked about him getting a concealed weapon's permit and how to go about it. there was a local sports store, i think it was gander mountain, that was putting on a class for the concealed weapons permit. he had signed up for it and his wife, and they both took the class together which provided training and the actual fingerprinting and other things. >> and did you have discussions with him about gun safety? >> often. we had gone to a shooting range on several occasions, probably eight or ten occasions and each time, firearms safety was always at the first or th
>> i am. >> lived your life within the confines of law enforcement? >> yes. >> you know george zimmerman, obviously? >> yes. >> i would like to focus in on a couple of subjects. first any information you have regarding mr. zimmerman accomplishing a concealed weapons permit. are you aware of that process? >> i am. >> and if you would, would you tell the jury what interactions you had with zimmerman in that regard? >> objection. >>...
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i'll talk about it tonight in law and disorder. that's coming up next. the first time i saw a sony 4k tv, it was like opening my eyes. it's four times the detail of hd. colors become richer. details become clearer. which for a filmmaker, changes everything. because now there are no more barriers between the world that i see and the ones i can show you. the sony 4k ultra hd tv. to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? and now today, i see this in the news. once again, centrum silver was chosen by researchers for another landmark study. this time looking at eye health. my doctor! he knows his stuff. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most studied. the most recommended. and the most preferred multivitamin brand. the choice is clear. ...and a great deal. .ferred thanks to dad. amin brand. nope eeeeh... oh, guys let's leave the deals to hotels.com. ooh that one! nice. got it! oh my gosh this is so cool... awesome! perfect! yep, and no angry bears. the perfect place is on sale now. up to 40% off. only at hotels.com >>>
i'll talk about it tonight in law and disorder. that's coming up next. the first time i saw a sony 4k tv, it was like opening my eyes. it's four times the detail of hd. colors become richer. details become clearer. which for a filmmaker, changes everything. because now there are no more barriers between the world that i see and the ones i can show you. the sony 4k ultra hd tv. to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? and now today, i see this in the...
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the law is like mud. this jury is going the hear this law from the court and they're going to be like every jury. they're going to have a hard time going through it because the lawyers can't even agree what that gobbledygook means when the judge reads that law to the jury. >> faith, having said, that and about seeing the gun or grabbing for the gun, let me show you some of what john guy laid out in terms of the inconsistencies, and tell me whether that addresses some of that from the prosecution's standpoint. >> sean noffke told me to get an address. that didn't happen. listen to the tapes. listen to the walk-through. and listen to the non-emergency call. sean noffke never said that. why? why lie about that? it's so important. that's why. because he wasn't going back to the car. he was going back to trayvon martin. trayvon martin covered his mouth and nose. really? you really think if that were true there wouldn't be george zimmerman's blood on these sticks that they pried under his fingernails? do you re
the law is like mud. this jury is going the hear this law from the court and they're going to be like every jury. they're going to have a hard time going through it because the lawyers can't even agree what that gobbledygook means when the judge reads that law to the jury. >> faith, having said, that and about seeing the gun or grabbing for the gun, let me show you some of what john guy laid out in terms of the inconsistencies, and tell me whether that addresses some of that from the...
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while the drug companies and their wealthy investors celebrate the fact they're officially above the law let's move on to another story involving questionable legal actions that been completely swept under the rug the sterilization of the male prisoners in california yes this troubling story was brought to light by the center for investigative reporting which revealed that between two thousand and six and two thousand and ten as many as one hundred fifty three male prisoners were sterilized without any legal oversight or state authorization see there's a federal and state ban on inmate sterilizations and if the procedure is done it needs government approval regardless of that the state of california was doing this for over a decade and spending nearly one hundred fifty thousand pack spare dollars to do so what's worse however is that many of the cases the prisoners were forced into having the surgery one former inmate says that she was sedated and strapped to a surgical table while in labor she recounts her experience with the doctor he said so we're going to be doing this to bowl litiga
while the drug companies and their wealthy investors celebrate the fact they're officially above the law let's move on to another story involving questionable legal actions that been completely swept under the rug the sterilization of the male prisoners in california yes this troubling story was brought to light by the center for investigative reporting which revealed that between two thousand and six and two thousand and ten as many as one hundred fifty three male prisoners were sterilized...
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we're now in a important debate in reforming those laws. that's good. i don't intend to get involved in the politics or the specifics of policy. i do hope there's a positive resolution to the debate. >> the oath of citizenship. the senate passed a reform bill last month. >>> the trial of whitey bulger started today with an f bomb drops. kevin leaks testified he saw bulger commit several murders. federal marshals had to get between to two men when they started swearing and shouting and the judge told them to beha behave. bulger is charged with 19 murders. >>> you might recall this man. he doesn't give too many interviews and never in english. you might remember him. he was the head of the former international monetary fund who was arrested in new york accused of sexually assaulting a hotel employee. today he says he's still bitter about being perp walked in front of the news cameras. >> i think it was a terrible thing. the problem is that it's a moment where in all european american society you supposed to be innocent until you're convicted. the perp wal
we're now in a important debate in reforming those laws. that's good. i don't intend to get involved in the politics or the specifics of policy. i do hope there's a positive resolution to the debate. >> the oath of citizenship. the senate passed a reform bill last month. >>> the trial of whitey bulger started today with an f bomb drops. kevin leaks testified he saw bulger commit several murders. federal marshals had to get between to two men when they started swearing and...
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we are trying to enact a federal shield law to protect sources of journalists. how to you define journalists are very important. >> i want to say i agree with thomas jefferson, said the government should be afraid of the people. [ laughter ] >> i must say contrary to what we adjudicate read from snowden, the american people are not mad at the american government after his revelation. to the contrary. when you look at the polls they are mad at snowden. they think his behavior and he has fled the country and not been accountable is reprehensible. >> i will say when polling the american people, they are concerned about this program and potential abuses of it. >> correct but if you ask them understanding that we live in age of terrorism. is this something that the government needs to engage in. they would also say yes. >> restricted to terrorism, but we don't know. >> eric: 59% say the government surveillance invades american's privacy. they think the government has gone too far. >> if you take young people, which i think you've got to think about the future of our
we are trying to enact a federal shield law to protect sources of journalists. how to you define journalists are very important. >> i want to say i agree with thomas jefferson, said the government should be afraid of the people. [ laughter ] >> i must say contrary to what we adjudicate read from snowden, the american people are not mad at the american government after his revelation. to the contrary. when you look at the polls they are mad at snowden. they think his behavior and he...